Well, invasion, land stealing and slaughter have a good 800 year history in Ireland. Then, for many of the worlds most powerful and influential nations of the time, this is where slavery was put to an end. Variant of Doherty. How did they enter said contract in the first place? Interesting. By calling yourself African-American you are still claiming to come from two so-called white men. Where they not forced to build railroads and gassed and burned in ovens? Perhaps this is were we can find common ground and open the conversation of race relations. thats the label the brits give them. go and watch the black irish of monsaretti they are proud of there irish hertiage and know that there ancsters were from ireland and africa. The latter he did not. The slave owners of my ancestors were Dingles. that is not true they are mixed rihannna the singer her father is of irish desent . I guess that depends on what you consider Irish? Scottish poet and lyricist Robbie Burns is one of the most well-known people called Burns. The word 'Cearmaid' comes from Old Irish and is probably a combination of 'ciar' (black) and 'madra' (dog), thus meaning a 'black dog.' 23. Africans had names that made no sense to the English speaking enslavers, so they gave them English names. This is an ignorant recitation of a much more complicated history than Chloe suggest. In contrast, however, at this same period in history, predominately, the Portuguese and Spanish were colonizing and enslaving the indigenous population of the South America continent. I watch an old Irish movie years ago and when the old lady washing her clothes in a pan was cursing someone saying what the rass cloth,. English landowners would literally pay pirates to come and raid entire villages on the Irish land they owned, to get rid of the renters so the landowner could do as he wished with the land. There were no Jim Crow laws restricting Irish. There are points of contention with this article dont get me wrong, Im debating the who suffered which is not really a secret except it seems in the white-washed Protestant nation that is the United States to which many Blacks seem to be connected with. William Downing and Philip Welch. To reiterate; were talking about the entire South American continent. Indentured servitude was a colonial innovation that enabled many to emigrate to the New World while providing a cheap and white labour force for planters and merchants to exploit. Well my last name is carmickle. I am a Kyle from Scotland I am scotch-Irish they were indentured servants and free men. I think slavery regardless of color is disgusting and shameful, but even more is to come out of slavery and help the oppressor with the same oppression that was previously placed upon you. A great book to read is:To Hell or Barbados. As a lay person, its hard to know who to believe. Were Irish babies sold to another people as black babies were sold to white slave owners? Thank you for sharing the madness and anger that lives within my Irish family. Instead of using the word slaves, they were paid $per head and this made their enslavement different from that of blacks,so they became Indentured servants so were..the Asians mostly Indians..all the Mcdonald McCain McCoy all the Mc are Scottish ..to increased the whites population they send debtors ,who couldnt pay what they owe, and repeat criminals , the later date up to 1918 children were removed from orphanages from all across England. If a slave owner named Washington or Jefferson bred an Irish slave with an enslaved African, why would he give the surname of the Irish slave to the offspring? Several varied groups of multiracial people have sometimes been referred to as or identified as . To keep it going. Its effect with regard to the subject of slavery on a whole only minimizes the atrocities of slavery and bigotry. So no, they werent only raped by the master but any children born of these rapes became the property of the plantation owners. Words are powerful, they are spells (we are spelling) the word black in middleages means pale. Thank you Gary Dingleloved reading your response. Stop with this damn lie. Actress Betty White is one of the most famous people with this surname. What is there for any of you to gain by denying the atrocity of the abuse of the Irish? And the traditional double-standard was upheld even there, because as long as it was circumspect and everyone turned a blind eye, it was still common, un-punished behavior for White males to rape or copulate with African females, but a blasphemous abomination for a white woman to voluntarily have relations with an African man, and could result in death for both. If you look at census lists or the property lists of white planters, you will see that their human property were only given first names. There is no logic in that a hybrid race slave would be any more profitable than a hard working African slave, and has no basis in historical fact. you go to an irish catholic area and you will see paintings of nelson mandela on the walls and other people we support the oppressed always have. I wish the writer had included some references. There is little question that the Irish experienced the horrors of slavery as much (if not more in the 17th Century) as the Africans did. To review, my points are thus: At that time, 70% of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves. Sisters founded orders if nuns. We highlight the most inspiring experiences Ireland has to offer. In 1840 there were 196 Blake families living in Maine. The naming game where did the term 'Black Irish' come from? Yes. https://sudbury.ma.us/services/news_story.asp?id=259, Im Dutch and this is only the second time Ive read about this in my life.. As I said an Irish female slave mating with an African slave could not transfer his last name because it was the name of a white owner, if an Irish male slave mated with an African slave she would not get his slave name, it would be the property of the white owner, riddle us this??? One of the most famous people with the surname Burke is American actor Robert Burke. Ryan 9. I would ask when was the last time a police-person STOPED you just because you looked the part of something bad O or you go to a nice store and your treated as if your a thief. Lets also not confuse slavery with meaning only chattel slavery. "X" became the chosen surname of many black nationalists who rejected their slave names. The byword African-American was just adopted by our ppl in the 1980s due to the counsel of our so-called black leaders a Jesse Jackson. Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window), Click to share on Pinterest (Opens in new window), Click to share on Tumblr (Opens in new window), Click to share on Reddit (Opens in new window), Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window), Click to share on WhatsApp (Opens in new window). they did mix thats why they have lighter skin its luck of the draw with genetics if your great great great grandmother was white your chid could be white. The mass exodus from Ireland has been a result of famine, war, and conflict throughout Irelands history. Ever heard of Spartacus? That has not changed and the enslavement of the poor is as relevant today as it was at any other time in history. I still choose not to use the Irish name my Black family still carries. They could understand the Irish. Youll probably end up as one next lifetime. The more I think about this article, the sadder I become knowing that most of you believe its lies. Excellent article, sadly but all true. The same empire founded the North American Colonies. They entered into an indentured agreement, which was recorded (and can be viewed on many online resources) for a fixed period of time and were subject to the same laws as all subjects of the King. That is less than the African migration per decade to the United States today. My mother in law was called Shanks. Meaning: Son of the blacksmith. Please do not confuse the two. Irish whiskey producer Black Irish has agreed to rebrand and sell its name to singer Mariah Carey's cream liqueur brand following a two-year legal battle. What happened to 6 million of them? Irish names and surnames are steeped in our country's rich tradition and centuries of history. To answer the question that is proposed in the headline, it was primarily due to Irish slave masters and testing the Y chromosome provides evidence of this. T. P. McKenna was an Irish actor from County Cavan and is one of the most well-known of this name. They didnt want to go to war on behalf of the African American, well thats what they thought it was about,, even though we all know that the civil war wasnt about the liberation of the black slaves. I would like to recommend Peoples History of the United States by Howard Zinn to anyone who is interested in this type of hidden history. Many Native American tribes would enslave other tribes that theyd conquer. Do you not believe that the Irish people suffered for centuries under British domination ? Actress Katherine MacNamara is the most famous person with the surname MacNamara. The terminology is interchangeable, while there are cetainly differences in forms of slavery to say there was none is a tad rich, unless youve been an indentured servant yourself perhaps you know the benefits? Indentured servitude was a poular way of dealing with criminals theoughout the entirety of the British Isles. This was a passage from the book noted above. English treated Irish deplorably. It appears that everyone, including you, completely ignored my comment where I pointed out that the British would hire pirates, specifically Barbary Pirates from North Africa and the Middle eatern areas, to raid entire Irish villages with the intent of wiping out said village so the British could take over the land and do with it as they wish. We fight hatred with success. Or was it an indirect outcome of the permition of owning slaves? All of the people I have ever met with the last name Orr have been white, Im a brown girl. The fact is that any white male could sexually assault a black woman with impunity. The most Blake families were found in USA in 1880. After the Armada of 1588, Spanish soldiers married Irish women and integrated into society. Love Irish history? Read Deuteronomy Chapter 28 and visit http://www.israelunite.org to learn more. But during the times of slavery in America the Irish people (in Ireland) were subjected to the penal laws, which I suspect were similar the the Jim Crow laws. My maiden name is Mc Knight. It is derived from the Gaelic Conchobhair (descendant of Conchobar "lover of hounds"). For example, Barack Obama has Irish ancestors on his white mothers side. First of all, the reason for the Civil War was the Confederates secession from the Union. Everyone google irish slavery is a myth and tell me who its written by or sourced byyou got it it Liam Hogan.yes he is one of the millions of English trying to deny our history!!!!!!! The Healy familiar is a wonderful exemplar. The Huns and Mongols did it. There are many variants of the name such as. Hardly slavery, its a choice. The worst and qualifying factors for slavery are oppression and dehumanization. Ryan Fitzpatrick, NFL quarterback, was named the fifth smartest athlete in sports by Sporting News in 2010. That is the most ridiculous thing Ive ever heard. in order to be enslaved it didnt matter whether you were Irish, English, Welsh, Scots, Black, White. They should be and should have been more like the Cajuns and quit they need to stop trying to corrupt the Cajuns. Famous people with the surname Connolly include comedian Billy Connolly and musician Brian Connolly. Surname Origin Irish Last Names Irish Last Names L. Elizabeth Forry Updated: July 29, 2022 Find your Irish last name and learn about its meaning and origins on this list of popular Irish surnames. Whole towns disappeared into the MIddle East and North Africa as a result. My grandmother had told me this when I was a little girl, If you come from a family who is of mixed race, and they know the old family school and is not afraid to tell you, cause this was known but your not suppose to talk about it..but I always knew cause of the red hair, but eyes and freckles..the freckles are a sure sign my grandma would say..I learned sp much from her said she wasnt allowed to talk are educate anyone of it, once my grandfather died she told everything..she was a Creole borne in Baton Rouge La. When did the Irish get declared human? Even though our histories converged and should have caused extended cooperation between the groups, Irish Americans have become stereotyped as extreme racists. If the Irish were the easiest way to fill the positions needed to produce agricultural quotas then they would be used. This may have some truth but how does this compare with Jim Crow and the continued racism experienced by Blacks in 2015? Their names would have, at this point, been changed to more Anglicised versions. There is far too much historical EVIDENCE of the inhuman way Africans were treated. Connolly 24. Black Irish (album), 2017 music album by American singer-songwriter Shannon McNally. get your facts right, [] Why blacks have Irish last names. I added the Facebook icon to my blog so you can share the link. I cannot speak for what may have happened in America and it is true that we Irish dont suffer from racism in this day and age. But, the tone of the article seemed to suggest that Blacks should not feel like they have been singled out bullied because the Irish was also subjected to indentured servitude or slavery. What yall ;need to figure out is why this history has been buried and who is gaining from that. The likelihood, if you are Irish, or of African descent to be involved with any of this is smaller than you think. Please advise. Saying that the Irish were treated worse because they were Catholic might be so on the occasional individual basis, but as a group, they didnt have their history, their names, and even the memories of their religions and homelands stripped from them. Its a circular statement! This is incorrect information. The Irish often were poor and condescended by society but they were legal citizens and had a better status than a slave. By the time we reach the 1600s the non roman Europeans have been assimilated into a romanic style world where most are commonly white (although this seemed to exclude the irish who were treated very badly and if they werent forced into servitude died of starvation or spent their lives as serfs). Yet, let me put it this way, why does it seem like every black person wants to deny irish history? and that has not changed. Lots of questions still to be answered. I have about 3 lines of my family in which this happened. Youll find that most often the enslaved are identified by age and gender only. 10. I agree. Press Esc to cancel. This led to a helpless population of homeless women and children. It could easily be claimed by any of those writers who like to push their political agendas by denying facts in evidence and making up effects and results that sound plausible, but simply did not happen, or do not have the meanings that those writers freely attach to them. Thanks 4 Sharing I Got My DNA I have 21% Irish blood and My last Name is Sharp its good 2 know but its still so much hatred in the world.!! in 1697 John Locke recommended the whipping of those who refused to work and the herding of beggars into workhouses. The term "Black Irish" has also been applied to the descendants of Irish emigrants who settled in the West Indies. This is not about which was treated worse, seems like a game your all going on about, This is about the systematic destruction of nations by the British in these times, i hear noone talking about how ruteless and horrific the British were, they make the Nazis look like Saints. In fact, O'Dubhghaill is the Gaelic version of the very popular Irish surname O'Doyle. there is another book to read; which indicates that the so-called American Revolution was spurred on by slave revolts in the west indies. Irish last names you may recognise from around the world are Murphy ( Murchadha in Gaelic) and Walsh (Breathnach in Gaelic). I have heard of some of the stories of the Irish slave trade; however, the black slaves in American took their last names from their masters; who usually had Scottish, Irish, or English last names. Exaggerated claims aside, Im not sure how unless you give that stuff more credibility than its worth. I could be totally wrong on this but its what Ive read when I did my research. Nevertheless, from research, it appears the most likely reason for this term in Irish culture is to describe an intent as dark invaders or black foreigners of the Irish country. Rarely youll find them listed by age, gender and a first name NEVER A LAST NAME. Omg. What is Black? One of the most famous Wilsons is actor Owen Wilson, as well as 28th president of the United States Woodrow Wilson. (Thanks to Mike McCormick of the. .werenot left out..some of those babies are in their 80ts 90ths now..but the whites in this categories are ashamed and dont talk about it..the kkk originated from the fear of free slaves coming to take their jobs..as some black slaves were doing better than the indentured servants. Saying that she believes Ireland - her homeland - is the most enchanting place she has ever been and is passionate about documenting the Emerald Isle. However, most Blacks in the USA dont have to deal with slavery. Namaste. The Irish were endentured servants. Not really. The oldest known Irish surname is OClery (O Cleirigh in Gaelic). Notable Lyons include Australian politician Joseph Lyons and actor David Lyons. The more I think about this article, the sadder I become knowing that most of you believe its lies. The Irish landowners where Protestant and therefore considered British. They were dictators and if they felt it to their advantage theyd sell off members of their own tribe and simply call it their right as ruler. The surname Black was first found in Lincolnshire where they held a family seat from very ancient times, some say well before the Norman Conquest and the arrival of Duke William at Hastings in 1066 A.D. But, are we talking about African slavery? There were horrible abuses of both African and Irish captives. Heres a case for you to review (take your time): Master Samuel Symonds against Irish slaves: Law Case, Master Samuel Symonds against Irish slaves. All the while the ruling class was laughing at us all. Were revealing where the term comes from and who exactly the term is referring to. As with the Vikings, these were viewed as a people of "dark intentions" who ultimately colonized much of the Eastern part of the country and several larger towns. The Africans were considered less than apes, incapable of learning, and the forced inter-breeding with the Irish women was eventually made illegal because it was considered an abomination to force even the least among White women to copulate with an animal. This is further evidence that despite the evil of Irish slavery, Irish slaves were strangely still seen as human. Instead of having to round up the rebellious and often unreliable Irish, the African trade was already packaged and ready for sale. No one could understand the African language. Dirst the Spaniards/Portuguese outlawed enslaving Christians long before British had slaves in the Americas. As far as the name changes it was probably due to pronunciations not so much of stripping the names, doubt the traders/owners cared either way, whatever would be easiest. The Blake family name was found in the USA, the UK, Canada, and Scotland between 1840 and 1920. The first slave owner in the colonies was Anthony Johnson, a black African. The native Irish spoke Gaelic. If I had to hazard a guess, Id say familiarity. Thank you. Black Irish tend to be from the West Coast and North West Ireland which is where the trading went on. Their original homeland was Monaghan, where their surname is still the most common. Did they have a say in being sold off to a new master? My last name is Shanks n I just learned from my dad that iam part Irish. Even then these were primarily yes men and traitors, easily disposed of and replaced. Weird! It became a first name in the nineteenth century, and was used in Ireland to anglicise Duald, Dubhdaleithe (black man of the two sides), and Dubhdara. my mother in law was called Shanks, we are Irish from the north of Ireland. I assume many of the ones the worked side by side with the Irish slaves used their last name in hopes of not being made to take the slave owners name. And it seems that this strategy to retitle oneself to reveal ones stance or clan was a popular thing to do. The English masters quickly began breeding the Irish women for both their own personal pleasure and for greater profit. I was investigating the origin of my very Irish name FRAN MCCARTHY! The real culprit is blind greed, economic opportunism, and plain availability. More than a sense of pride, our names give us the ability to trace our Irish roots through the generations. Protestants believed that all Races came from one source. Judging history, or whole groups of people through myopic glasses is not only intellectually dishonest but harmful in the modern practice of superimposing everything over the wrongs of the past. How did Blacks end up with Irish names? However, this isnt auditing who had it better and who had it worse!!! British politician, writer, and broadcaster Bryan Magee is one of the most well-known Magees. As far as Slavery in jail(BS) They can do their time sitting in their cells doing nothing or they can work to earn money for the commissary or to help pay money they owe to the people or places on which they committed their crimes. Chattel is another form, but we dont call it chattel servitude, on the other hand slavery and servitude has been used interchangeably with indentured, mostly semantics in regards to an individual vs a people. Dubhthaigh, anglicized to Duffy, comes from an Irish name meaning black or swarthy. 'Black Irish' is often a description of people of Irish origin who had dark features, black hair, dark complexion and eyes. Famous people with the surname Lynch are actresses Jane Lynch and Evanna Lynch, as well as actor Ross Lynch. Why do we continue to ignore the pain of others? I will never make any claim of who was better off or who had it worse. Once they were accepted as white around the Depression, they quickly became as racist as any other white person during that time and hurriedly left the neighborhoods they were living in with Blacks. In short, when enslaving Christians became illegal in North America, some of the newly freed white slave became slave owners and overseers. After the end of the atlantic slave trade ended in the early 19th century, breeding was encouraged, and more fertile women were preferred over non birthing prolific women. Dont continue to nourish the seeds of bigotry by oversimplifying complicated historical issues and happenings into Blacks and Whites or any other shade of color. There are good apples and bad apples in every group of people, and people tend to do things based on more local things than racial ideology. Ben Frankin was indentured for a time to his own cousin. When Britainnia was taken over by the English (Germans) they immediately attacked the Irish and Scots and deported these black people to the West Indies, the women that remained were raped and whitenised by the red haired German invaders. Slavery, in any oppressive, dehumanizing form is wrong! Irish victims are not victims enough? Many of our foremothers were raped by the ships captains and the dozens if not hundreds of white crew members. The Irish have, throughout history been very cruel to African Americans so let them the many of them wear the title of red neck like it is their badge of honor. Brannon is my maiden name and it is an Irish name. Salem, Massachusetts. What do we see here? It was not until Darwin that the belief that physical traits identified race. Origins of the Most Common Irish Surnames and First Names. They served for an agreed amount of time (usually seven years), the agreements were not always honored. Basketball player Blake Griffin and comedian Kathy Griffin are two of the most well-known people with the surname Griffin. I never heard of this before, yes, of course, Ive heard of the indentured servant history, but not the actual brutal enslavement of the Irish people. England continued to ship tens of thousands of Irish slaves for more than a century. Actress Chelsea Kane is one of the most well-known Kanes. The name Cullen is best known from the fictional family of the Twilight book and film series. All the people who were desperately trying to find something or someone to debunk irish slavery never looked at his credentials lol ..Liam hogan again isnt a irish historian, he is a self taught librarian,yet he is on 20 some odd websites and 30 some odd blogs lol hahahaha like are u guys serious????? Africans sold Israelites. The fact that you refer to them as settlers is disturbing. I am a history teacher and Id like to provide my students with good primary and secondary sources. Was that what drove the slave trade in the last millenia? But I digress; apparently what Chloes real point is by this previous statement is that, when/if Whites talk about how a part of their race was oppressed and enslaved at one point in history that it somehow diminishes and lessens the Blacks slave history and only serves to to make Whites feel better about them-selves. Surnames today: There are many different origins for Irish names today but the vast majority can be broken down into either of three categories: Gaelic Irish, Cambro-Norman, and finally Anglo-Irish. All this purity has got to go, and the truth come out!!! But it seems that your fellow Irish forgot both about the atrocities done to them and working side by side with African slaves. My family history is very interesting..anyway they cant sweep all this under the rug anymore thanks to documents of proof which are online for the world to see now!!